For the Record: My Challenge to Debate Someone from the "NO to Rick Santorum" Page

FEBRUARY 27, 2012

Jerry Gerrard

I spent a couple hours this afternoon trying to have a simple political debate on Santorum's main page without it going all religious. But it wasn't to be *sigh*. There is too much anti-'everything'; that doesn't have something to do with 'God', and too many hardcore fundamentalists there to even think about doing that again. A couple hours (I need help I know). There is something about watching a train wreck that is addictive, you can't look away when its happening. Trust me you don't want to try what I did. I am more firmly assured that supporters of Santorum are absolute fanatics. Hyenas with Bibles.

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Bruce Lewis It's tough to have a civilized debate with Sheeple (Sheep People). I don't go to church every Sunday however I do have faith in something greater than our existence. Unfortunately religion is the major cause of the world's problems and like it or not we're all stuck in the middle of these fanatics crazy and insane ideas.

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David Myers Bruce sums it up quite nicely

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Jerry Gerrard Yes absolutely :). Beliefs are all well and good but when it blinds someone to the point of sheer ignorance then its a problem.

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Greg Finnigan Couldn't say it better myself.

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Greg Finnigan The ignorant masses need to be stopped...

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Bruce Lewis It's nice to run into folks like yourselves who have an intelligent thought once in a while.

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Masta Pay Hi, Jerry. I welcome a civil debate with you. I won't mention God or quote the Bible (although I have to say up front that I'm a practicing Catholic...daily Mass, regular Confession, daily rosary, the whole nine yards, etc. and yes I have gay friends whom I respect but respectfully disagree with their choices) or go all religious as you say above but will rely on arguments on reason alone. I've read a couple of your posts, and you sound very reasonable to talk to you. Most liberals or anti-Rick people that I've debated tend to be pretty vulgar and cuss a lot, but you're different it seems.

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Masta Pay I just checked your profile, and I see you have a doctorate. I hold a doctorate, too, and I am your age group, so this should be interesting. Perhaps you and I could appear on television for a live debate one day or write a book together, idk. So what issues have you raised on the Santorum main page?

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For the Record: Recent Debate with a Ron Paul Supporter

Why I'[m NOT voting for Ron Paul: http://aquilamagna.blogspot.com/2012/03/simple-reason-why-im-voting-for-rick.html.

·  Michael Ghighi · Buchanan, Michigan

And exactly where in the Constitution does it say that marijuana, gay marriage, & prostitution are forbidden by law?? I don't do any of the 3 myself, but do you really think that making laws prohibiting responsible adults from smoking weed, or marrying someone of the same sex, of paying someone who is of legal age for sexual relations does any good? Alcohol is not necessarily good for you either, but what happened back in the 1920's when we tried to outlaw that ?? Prohibition was one of the most miserable failures in our nation's history if I remember correctly. "Prohibition will work great injury to the cause of temperance. It is a species of intemperance within itself, for it goes beyond the bounds of reason in that it attempts to control a man's appetite by legislation, and makes a crime out of things that are not crimes. A Prohibition law strikes a blow at the very principles upon which our government was founded."

-Abraham Lincoln (1809-65) U.S. President.

Speech, 18 Dec. 1840, to Illinois House of Representatives

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Masta Pay · Top Commenter · Volunteer at Students for Rick Santorum

Michael, this is a legal positivist argument. <<<YAAAAWWWNNN!>>> The Declaration and Constitution as the Framers intended were founded on the natural moral law. The problem with libertarianism is that it interprets life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness to mean the right to do whatever you'd like. This is not American in age of moral relativism. It is well-meaning, but not according to the mind of the Founders, which is a case that Rick makes and is valid. Happiness in the mind of the Founders means the pursuit of virtue, it does not mean the license to do whatever you want just as long as it's okay or not okay in the Constitution. I don't disagree with your prohibitionist evidence, but I do not think that this quote undermines my point. I also maintain that it actually supports the natural moral law argument because the President of the United States doesn't just execute the laws, but he is a moral leader, as Lincoln was and knew when he fought to abolish slavery. The abolition of injustices like slavery, or legalized prostitution/drugs/abortion/etc. is based on the natural moral law. It is not neutral. The law is a teacher, my friend, but it is also intended for government to restrain evil from becoming institutionalized. Consequently, yes, we must restrain legal prostitution and legalized recreational drugs, and yes we must protect traditional marriage by promoting family-friendly tax codes as Rick suggest, and even having a federal amendment protecting the unborn. All human law, as in the case of a federal balanced budget amendment which Rick promotes, has its authority in the natural moral law. Finally, the argument above isn't a case for big government, which supporters of Dr. Paul seem to construe, but a case for virtue in a representative democracy. I also want to ask you why you support an isolationist candidate? I agree that we can't police the world, but doesn't America play a role in fighting tyranny in its foreign policy? Isn't America the last beacon of hope on earth for people oppressed by Socialism and Communism around the world?